The thing about human beings.. we have the capacity to fight.. fight and fight.. against all odds ..and even win! What kills many is not the condition but the loss of Will to fight on. I’ve seen this in some of the relatives who led extremely active lives and when retired and nothing to do…slump into darkness, where dis-ease and finally death takes them.. long before their old age.
And the thing about Magic is “the attempting to cause the Physically unusual” (Gerald Gardner) , and “..the control of the secret forces of nature” ( MacGregor Mathers). (and of course the well-quoted A.Crowley version ,”..causing change to occur in conformity with the Will”. My own version is `changing reality with the use of mind-powers’!
Why all this now? Well, we are leading to a powerfully positive Venus-conjunction- Saturn for tomorrow. Tonight is when you can do magic for a wonderful happy stable future! But by tomorrow noon, we’ll be heavily into the energy of a stressful Venus-squares-Uranus.. and that one you’ll have to brave while holding on to positivity.
Whilst people may think am talking out of my arse , they may not know that I battle a lot of conflicting forces on a personal level every day.. I have my own demons & shadows to battle every day.. some literally! But what underpins my ongoing survival is my faith in Gods, and my magic, and hope in a better future.
Stay positive, and stay consistent. And don’t ever ever give up on life.. yours and others’. Keep fighting, keep struggling, keep winning! In astrology some of the best aspects are the harsh ones.. the ones that stretch and stress us.. Energy is released when we smash up atoms together or pull the nucleus apart by firing particles at it. Salts and inert gases do nothing more than insulate and protect. But acids and alkalines, as dangerous as they are, eat and erode and heat and explode. They make things happen! Soil in a jar of water can be all muddy and cloudy. But stir it vigorously and let it be, and it settles into a strata of different layers!
Energy is now building for a larger disruptive aspect – the Saturn-square-Uranus – that will repeat 3 times this year!. This is the most over riding aspect(s) of 2021. Saturn holds, Uranus liberates. So this aspect is a battle between 2 opposing forces.. and a lot of things are about to be shaken to the core, and when it all settles, we’ll have that brilliant stable new future.
From time to time, I’ll give you little prompts, aspects to be careful of, and aspects to jump up and benefit from! Stellar Blessings-Mani Navasothy
Our psyche in knots: Remembering & releasing our Dead .!
Moon in Cancer today… so it’s not surprising to see some posts here from few friends.. someone’s father died few days ago and she is having an astral farewell. someone else is suddenly remembering her mother passed away 4 years ago this time. And someone else is trying not to remember when their mother passed away.. around this time.
All these are painful.. and those memories stay deep within our psyche, getting buried deeper and deeper each passing year.. and causing the individuals discomfort, trauma, inner pains…. if they are not `opened up’ and eased, faced and released.. !
Am not at all being all `wise’ or `preachy’ . I know this pain very well. After my father died in a road accident, I went into some denial mode ..(slotting into `man of the family’ mode). Gave up University residence..moved back home .. The first 2 years were fine.. then my University grades started to drop..fails..repeats.. even an actual kind-out. I was not into parties, no relationship during the entire university time.. Just small stuff.. fitness, writing novels, painting.. yet life went down down down.. I missed my father much (though the end of his year was not good at home.. fights etc due to his flaws). But so many regrets.. I’d look at this funeral photos regularly and privately..(would not show it to mum or sisters but I’d be reliving it.. again and again).
This went on for almost 5-10 years!!Through it all, my spirituality took a dive. I became anti-religious.. then suicidal due to all my educational failures.. and somehow pulled through and found pagan spirituality.. and life started a positive upward spiral.. (and here we are).
I recall a point where I said enough was enough..and sealed his photos.. threw away some of his small precious possessions..(Only kept his broken wrist watch that had stopped at the time of his crash/ death and one ball point pen.. that I had placed in his hands for a short while in his coffin! Oh believe be I got dark in those years that people can not imagine.. After seeing some tribal film, I even thought I might drink his ashes in water!)
My Life only took off for me, after I released my father’s death from my psyche. I had thought to finish his life’s work.. his scholarly studies.. his Phd.. but then finally chose that I have my own work..and life to live.
In case people don’t know.. I was 5 years old when I saw my grandfather pass away.. and while his body was in the house for few days in a open coffin.. I lived in that house.. and played as a boy. My uncles and aunt kept me busy (mother was far away having just had my 2nd sister and was with her parents.. Father was busy with whatever her needed to do.. I only remember my uncles and aunt keeping me busy those days..)
Since then I have seen many relatives pass away before me.. As priest, I’ve even performed `pasing rites’ to terminally ill comatose loved ones.. and they then passed within hours.
As much as I don’t like to.. death defines my life.. (and this is perhaps why when it comes to do Dark Lord / veil stuff in pagan rituals for autumn/ samhain.. my energy clicks in fast and deeper than anything else).
I chose few years ago to click into Life.. and only `open up’ the Dark Lord energy in me at very specific seasonal times.. And as The Doctor (who) once said, `the name we choose is a promise we make to be who we are’…. and it’s no coincidence that the name I have currently on facebook (Mani Morningstar) is chosen for this time.. I may keep it or I may change it in a few months.. we’ll see how far I need to work that energy ..for my self and for the world. I don’t preach ..well I do..but with a lot of explanations.. like this one, so people know where I am coming from.. Not from a metal egocentric place of power and control.. but from a heartspace of compassion, empathy and love to want to help others in inner-turmoil.
If I can help.. I will do my best.Even if I or anyone else can’t help you.. YOU should go deep within.. (like the late Maureen helped me do in pathworkings and meditations back in 2001-02) to those key issues of loss of a parent.. and face them.. and resolve them. (I once cut of the head of my own father in a pathworking.. That was not malicious.. it was resolving a sub-personality or an energy that had consumed me for so long).
so take what you `Will’ from this.. and make your inner-samhain journeys… Don’t let the beloved-Dead sleep long within you and leach your energies and powers and live as zombies and vampires within your psyche. Let them go with love and light.. to the divine.It frees your heart to love again.. your self..and others.
The World is in the grip of Corona-virus pandemic ..and the people are weighed down by those fears…of death! That it might get a loved one or a friend..or themselves. But as any ritual magician knows, being immersed in certain thoughts obsessively can actually end up manifesting that very thought as real. That after all is the `Secret’ of the `Law of Attraction’ .
So how can we negate this fear-inducing obsession…and how can we bring about positive manifestations at this time?
The answer of course is .. Life! Life is all around us.. Use it. Work it.. work with it.. work with the positive creative forces of life and nature!
In this motivational video blog, Mani Navasothy – Esoteric Author, Pagan Teacher and Wiccan High Priest – will explore these negative and positive ideas.. that can help you stay well.
It really is a case of following all the government guidelines, AND, having your own power of mind over matter…in easy steps.
ps. Do Share this with those who believe in Manifestations, `Secret’ and `Law of Attraction’ …cos us Wiccans have a good grasp of Nature magic!!
“So.. people are clapping….. 8pm on a thursday…3rd week in a row..
where people are clapping for the NHS staff.. ”
Last week I was doing gardening.. and heard the sound of clapping..
and I was overcome by an overwhelming feeling.
“..I thought about why.. we are clapping..
I know we are showing our appreciation for..
the NHS staff and all other staff..
and all the people working to keep Life going in the Country..”
“..All of us.. every single one of us is affraid..
..scared shit out of our minds..
and we are scared of Death!
That this disease (coronaVirus) might catch us..
or our loved ones, or our friends, or us..
and we might die..!
..We’ve been told to stay indoors.. in the safety of our houses..
lot of people are doing it.
literally holding on to our lives.. in our houses..
..and hoping that the medical staff of the country will save us
literally our lives.. all of our lives.. are in their hands.!
You might not feel like that.. but…
if anything happens to any one of us..
we are really want to go to the hospital..
and be at the mercy of one of these Medical staff members..
and we hope they are going to look after us…
and save our lives..!
And it is that scary
and it’s that thought
or lives.. every single one of ours.. depends
in the hands of the medical staff at the moment..
because we don’t have the capability to keep our selves alive
if something bad happens to us..
Hopefully it doesn’t..
I think if we really examine the deeper feelings..
it’s that overwhelming sense..
of charity that we want..
the fact that we are at the mercy..
of not just whatever is happening in the world but..
at the hands and mercy of the medical staff..
that we will deped of them to save our lives..
That is very scary and it’s a very dependant state
. An that’s why there’s overwhelming feeling
to know that each one of us feels it
whether we are aware of it or not
So when we are clapping
I suppose we are pleading to medical staff
to keep working
to keep us safe..
and to save us.. if that happens..
Those are my thoughts..
as to why we are clapping..
And it’s quite overwhelming feeling to know that..!
I found the following to be incredibly sacred.. it has spirituality & psychology all woven in. Transpersonal psychology indicates that we all have a desire to return to the womb.. and this often has numerous connections of how we can interpret our quest for the union with the divine, the original safety, Utopia, the birthing experience/ white light at the end of the tunnel and so much more. So when this post caught my eye on facebook I was deeply interested, only to learn that it gets taken down.. (the author has posted it before). So am being little clever and posting it as a blog entry with all the tags to facebook intact, and then share it on facebook. Bright Blessings. Mani. (ps. The blog title is entirely of my fashioning. The author had `Dear Men’ as the title).
✨ DEAR MEN ✨
Do you know…
That when you enter a woman, you are actually INSIDE of another human being, you are inside of her?
Have you ever realized how sacred this is?
That this is the closest thing to oneness that you will ever experience, and that she holds this gift for you…
That you can return to the womb and to the point of creation…
That you can plant the seeds of creation as well…
That when you leave her, she feels the separation as you physically pulls out and leave her empty…
That being allowed inside of her is a gift, an honoring, something sacred, and that it is your job to know, respect and honor this…
That her heart is connected to her sex, and when you want to enter her sex, you enter her heart as well…
That she feels everything when you enter her, as all of your energy is being passed on and into her. Therefore you have a responsibility of entering with transparency of your intentions, as she will feel all the ways you might use her to avoid feeling your own pain or emotions. You need to be mindful and aware about why you are entering her, and what you are filling her up with…
That “sex” is the cosmic union of the feminine and the masculine energy, a sacred meeting of polarities, and that it has nothing to do with reaching an orgasm, lasting long enough, the size, another number for your collection, or your worth…
That truly opening up a woman, is about going deep, but not going deep within her, going deep within yourself, knowing yourself, and the deeper you are able to enter yourself, the deeper you can enter a woman as well…
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I am Gaian and I am against Brexit and against Trump. Here once and for all is my explanation:
(first published on my facebook wall on 3rd June 2019).
1) On Brexit————:
I do not like Brexit…because on a long term scale..it’s about isolation..not unity (UK peeling off from a local group of countries s how I see it…regardless of all the shitty finances and logic chopping. That’s politics..Am an idealist thinking about far far long term effects of the world).
2) Trump’s fear-mongering, the Wall & Hitler ideologies——–:
And I don’t like a wall being built to keep people off..because that’s also about separation and isolation instead of integration and Unity. That argument of illegal immigrants/ refugees coming in to mess up America is utter bollocks. ( I am a refugee who came to UK.. and look at the sheer contributions I have give to various communities in UK?! )
Divide (by fear) and conquer (by promises):
If a bunch of Americans have been `influenced’ (election propaganda) into hating others and want their segregation and have voted for a fool (Trump) who is stoking their fears… I don’t have to like it..! It’s classic divide and conquer tactics.. Stoke fears between people ro communities or nations, .. Say you are on their (one) side to protect them..and that side of people will like, listen and support you.
Hitler rose in power because he played on German people’s fears (Jews are getting all the wealth, Jews have power, etc etc).
Trump the Fool-idiot and tantrum throwing child:
Donald Trump is an ill educated moron..who makes so many stupid intellectual mistakes..(just sift through his statements and media `shows’.. ) And everyone laughs.. on a global scale.. at him! That makes him angry instead of embarrassed. So he gets his revenge by doing more stupid things.. playing with power he has been given. Imore Executive orders..more rolling back laws and initiatives..). This has been the pattern.
In short.. Trump is influencing the world towards destruction and isolation.. he is doing nothing short of making Americans the new master-race..
3) I am Gaian———–:
I have said before and I say it again a thousand times.. I am GAIAN.. I am of Earth.. and anything that moves away from unity is something I do not like.. ! The changes we sleepwalk into will kill the world…maybe not in our generation…but by the next or one after. As an idealist and one thinking about the very long term future of the Earth, I am against anyone and anything that creates segregation..instead of world Unity.
**Request: Please do not take or quote anything out of context. Please read fully **. Context:During early morning Easter sunday service on 22nd April 2019, 6 churches in Colombo, Sri Lanka were bombed. Over 200 people have died. It is reported that a Islamic terror group is responsible for it. Few days on, it’s sunk in, and the following is my rage, slowly being brought under control.
So last night… may be because Pluto retrograde has started ..or maybe I finally had a moment of stillness for matters to sink in – I got very angry! Angry does’t even cut it.. I was enraged.. and bordering on utter racism, prejudice and hopping mad to start my own religious hate/ war!!!!!.
What’s triggered this? well ..the matter of many churches in my homeland..nay home town ..being blown up by some terrorist factions operating in Sri Lanka… potentially the Islamic terror group.. That’s what triggered it.
I mean the Muslim population is a tiny minority in Sri Lanka.. far below the Tamil minority .. If 50 years of guerilla fighting by Tamil Terror groups wasn’t going to give Tamil separatists a state of their own, what possible chance is there for an even smaller minority to engage in such acts?
I can only conclude that it’s not instigated by people internally but by outside forces…militants hell-bent on trying to cause more wars, more deaths….all in the name of Allah and Islam.
“Death to all muslims!” – That was the raging reaction I felt last night.. for starting a terror campaign in a tiny tropical Island that has been dealing with its own internal racial shit for 50 years…the result of which was why my family & I ended up as refugees in UK some 35 yeas ago.
Sri Lanka is not the America that’s bombing Muslims in Syria or another Islamic country. Sri lanka has no international influences or wealth or power. As I said Sri Lanka is just a tiny little island with its own problems. It poses no threat to Islam or muslims!
The only war that’s been going on there was the racial one between Tamils-Hindu minority and Sinhalese-Buddhist majority! That ended in 2009.
Now the bombing of Churches – begins a new war fueled by rage and retaliation, despair, feelings of injustice and more.. The Christians have done nothing to anyone in Sri Lanka.
So when the church that I used to go and pray in, in my childhood days is bombed (and yes I am a Hindu but I am happy to be talking to Christian gods too….have done since my boyhood days)- it strikes a deep root..a nerve.. and suddenly, the war is at my doorstep.
I’m reasonably clever and manipulative and controlling.. Or maybe it’s Pluto retrograde bringing those qualities to the surface. But whatever it is, this morning that rage burns on.. I sat and thought about all the ways I was going to wipe out the Islamic pests who are are now bringing the world into mass war on so many violent fronts. What will happen is everyone else on the planet will get fed up, fueled by emotions, and start one massive war against Islam and Muslims.. and it will not end well..till all of them are wiped out.
Is that what the Islamic people want? A whole world at war against them? Are the terrorists honestly so stupid as to think their Allah is going to protect them all against such odds? Is this a mass self-inflicted extinction of Islamic people in progress?
Perhaps their God should be annihilated. Yeah, am not going to wage on people, I’ll take it to their god..and wipe that being out.. Well..not me..but my own Gods & Goddesses will.
These thoughts have raged through my head . Last night and this morning.. I could feel it twisting in me, turning me to the dark side of the force. .. I could possibly invoke every dark being out there and send it all their way..and more.. wipe them all out..
And that would make me the most evil man in history..with genocide of a kind under my belt…will it not?
This is what bombing a few churches so far away on a tiny island that I have not set foot on for 35 years does. It turns one good Witch into the worst witch possible.. undoing 2 decades of good community work and service I have done.
All gone in a flash.. if I let it.
Luckily for me.. Louisa is in my life…! (She is my partner).
She listened patiently to my angry rants… and slowly started to feed positivity into my head.. She spoke of changing minds of people.. she spoke of working to bring world peace..for real…not just talking about it.
And a bit of sanity began to surface in me.. and I thought…Yes.. I’ll use magic.. to change minds (excuse me, am still under the influence of the Pluto-retrograde!). Then when she started talking more about Peace… I began to think of Earth day and how we held hands around a big tree and wished for Peace in all the worlds.. and of World Peace Day.. and what we can do…not just on that day..but at every event, every ceremony, every gathering, every social..!
We don’t need guns or missiles. We have the ability to do Magic! Its power in our hands, hearts and minds. Lets use it.. before rage makes monsters of us all.
Before `Pagan Frontiers of London’ ..there existed and still does.. The Pagan Federation: London, where I held the post of Events Manager for some 7 years (2004 to 2012). I organised & ran open rituals, masked balls, Gaia conferences, created and ran PF: London website, and even started the facebook page & groups for PFL that still continues (just seen my old events art work in there that dates back to 2009 or something).
After stepping down from the PFL Events Manager post ..to seek out new pagan worlds and boldly go to new magical frontiers (am a Star Trek fan), I started `Pagan Frontiers of London’ as a gateway site fit for the glitzy colourful event-driven social media era – to share info, events and my own service to the Pagan community.
Even in the wilderness years (2013 to 2015), when I had minimal contact with PFL events, I was very much supportive of PF and PF: London (how can I not…half my friends and Elders are still within it).
In 2018, I re-joined the PFL events team again, and as of January 2019, now hold the post of `PF London Social Media Officer’. This is a great honour and a thrill.. to be part of the Pagan Federation (I’ve been a member since mid 90’s..). I cherish the knowledge that back in 1970’s several Wiccan Elders got together to start the Pagan Federation.. (and I am of their wiccan lineage). So the PF is `family’ to me in more ways than one.
And as always, I fondly remember the late Jean Williams, who was `my’ District Manager in those days, who taught me much about serving the community in PF, and tempered my wild ways (well a little). I remember her every week as I pass by the hospital in Highgate – even now- the place where I used to visit her in her last few days.
So many others have stood by my side or behind me and supported me since I began serving the PF in 2004. My ritual group Hern’s Tribe, late Maureen Brown (High Priestess), Chris Crowley (prev. PF President), Vivianne Crowley (High Priestess & my Craft Elder), Mike Stygal (prev. PF president), Rufus & Melissa (prev. PFL events managers), Caroline Westbury (High Priestess & friend), Christina Oakley (Treadwells bookshop), Geraldine Beskin (Atlantis bookshop), Luthaneal Adams (prev. DM for PFL), Paul Newman (PFL Treasurer since 2004), Andrew T (PFL events team), Jeremy Morgan (Druid path), Geoff Miles (Heathen path), Philip John Parkyn (Heathen path), my sister Vathani, my prev.magical partner April, Reggie, Paul Harvey, Rob T, Marcus Lee (technomage) …to mention but a few.
I have never been alone. And always stood on their strong shoulders, and been nurtured by their affections.
And beyond them, there are my Gods & Goddesses and my faith in them – and they do put me through my paces, but also offer inner-strength. Because this work is never easy.. being in spotlight, running events, accepting good & bad projections from people, and still finding the light within to help them.
So my admiration and respect goes to any and all people who stand in spotlight, take all the likes & hates, and still get on with serving the Gods, the land and its people.
Once in a while I get a person/ friend/ friend of a friend..coming on into my posts/ discussions..and interactions quickly go south! and I end up totally shocked at the accusations they level at me..or indeed at `all men’.
When something propels that fast and out of the blue..and spirals out.. I have to remind myself to pull back and realise it’s really nothing to do with me.. but that person concerned probably has deep issues due to some past negative experiences or conditioning..
(who doesn’t?! I know I have my share of them.. It’s all work in progress – doesn’t mean am going to let everyone take pot shots at me. Am an aware man..but am also a human with my own instincts of self preservations!)
As sad as it is, the men-bashers really should stop projecting their issues on all the men and especially stop looking for `evidence’ that all men are bad, all men are dictators preachers, all men are angry and self-indulgers (words a recent female friend used at me, so am using it as some examples!)
Laws of attraction comes to mind. If you keep looking for any evidence, that becomes your reality and it will keep manifesting..! Science is all about looking for impartial and independent evidence.. (even then.. we have the quantum mechanical thing that we can’t observe a system without affecting it!). And psychology is full of the placebo effects (belief becomes real), projections and transferences..
In short..a mine-field of `mind-mines’! Any one of it can trigger..and explode and cause a messy wrangle..
Navigating through all this..and then trying to get to a truer reality is not easy.. In Fact it may never be possible. (That’s what `Maya’ or illusions is all about.. and only way out is through detachment.. of everything, and the quest for enlightenment and arriving at the feet of Lord Shiva! In short, one can’t be on Earth and hope to be out of reach of Maya…!)
So.. to any women out there into male bashing.. I’d say `please go about trying to truly heal the wounds one or more men may have inflicted on you..’ Because not all us men are bad.. but if you keep thinking that, and keep looking for evidence of that, you’ll find those monsters in all our manly shadows..
Remember Ladies.. there are many men out there who are doing a different kind of work.. Lammas Kings comes to mind. If you don’t know what that is…do look it up.
ps. And ofcourse… `men bashing women’ also has the same problems. Goes without saying.. But I’ll say it anyway.
The whole thing of religious `Them & us’ has come up elsewhere on my wall. It relates in part to the old Witches being persecuted by Christians. So am writing this post (*1).
The inference is that modern wiccans who practices Wicca & Witchcraft as a religious / neo pagan path.. are carrying some old `racially’ suppressed trauma of their ancestors being persecuted..and have an inherent `fear/ dislike/ apprehension/ animosity (take your pick’ or some similar feeling) against Christians!.
Truth of the matter is.. many modern witches and wiccans actually can’t prove their own lineage extends that far to the witches of the old.. I argue that there is no such `racial memory’ and that it’s just a fad..a presumed feeling.. because people love to have just historical clues and reasons for carrying causes.. (we can just believe in a cause and carry it.. we don’t’ need a historical justification or reason or validation).
Being an initiated Wiccan & Witch ( now pushing past 21 years of it..) sometimes I get the feeling I am expected to carry these `party lines’ of the `persecuted witches’.. a feeling of `them and us’ against Christians.
Am sorry to disappoint all.. but as Hindu I grew up not just going to the Temple with my family in my boyhood days, but also to adjacent Christian Churches. In fact we’d pick and choose what Gods we went to to pray for.. One example would be, when i had a strange mole on my finger, i was advised to go to the St.Anthony’s church for 7 weeks and pray, take a bit of salt & pepper, and crawl under the stand where a certain St.Anthony statue was. I did that and the mole disappeared long before the 7th week, though I completed the 7 weeks. It can be said that was my first practice of self delusion, prayer or heaven forbid.. Magic!(*2).
If anything I should have a prejudice against Buddhists..because it’s the Sinhalese people who were majority Buddhists who have caused racial violence against my Tamil / Hindu people..and murdered thousands.. back in Sri Lanka.. I’ve lived through not one but two of those episodes…running for our lives each time.
Yet I do my best to educate myself and weed out any hidden prejudices that may have developed as a result of those direct personal life and death episodes…which in theory should make me hate every Buddhist on the planet. So moral of my personal tale is.. enough of this `them and us crap’ !
I now don’t give a frack about what religion did to what other religion way before my time..
None of the `Witches’ living in our times have ever been persecuted to death enmass for their religions by another.. (save for a few individual harassment cases) .
As someone who actually has been persecuted for his religion, I think my perspective and aspirations should stand higher than these petty them-us arguments. As such, I do not ever want to see it or hear it in my presence from my open minded friends..
If I can be a hybrid of so many beliefs and not explode or go insane…then there is no excuse for anyone else(*3)!
*1: Am NOT a Ph.D in English, and nor do i have to worry about composing a thesis here that’s gotta hold water.. These are just my simple human sentiments.. typed in one go without editing (Thank you Mercury direct!). So please do see beyond the specifics and to the message I am trying to convey..
*2: There are other incidents of Hindu priests advising the family of rope & water magic for finding out lost family dog, and one drunken father cursing someone with water ..and many a sessions with my grandmother who did all manner of potions, lotions, wafting of incense, flames and shamanic spitting to ward of evil eyes, o the local soothsayer lady who went into a trance and channeled Goddess Kali.. and advised devotees.
On the harsher side, I have as a boy just about sneaked a peep at a new Kali temple being consecrated with many animal sacrifices..and seeing their blood run in a small stream past me! (This is why it makes me extremely concerned when people purport to worship Goddess Kali in the west as if she’s some pussycat in their pocket.. Would they do so with the terrible Sekhmet who had an equal bloodthirsty mythical origin in Ancient Egypt? I think not.
*3: Am sadden to hear that there’s even a divide of `Them & Us’ …from a Hereditary Witch’s point of view, towards rets of the Wiccans.